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This is Jimmy and Annette and of course Mr. Shavy is with us today.
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We are Living Up In A Down World and this is podcast number 38. So we're rolling right along.
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We want to welcome you to our show today and we are so glad that you're here and that you've
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joined us and we just want you to listen and participate by going to our website,
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Living Up In A Down World. You can always leave a review, you can write us a note,
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leave a comment or you can find us on social media, Facebook. Facebook. Why did you say it that way?
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Well, because we were talking about algorithms earlier today and it just got me in a bad mood
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about Facebook. You mean the devil? Oh my gosh. We learned so much this week. We did. Talk a little
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bit about what we got to do. I mean we had a lot going on, right? The first Sunday we left. After
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church? After church. Well, church wasn't even over and you just handed the mic to someone else,
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just another pastor and said, we got to go catch a plane. So we left. We went to San Antonio,
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got on a plane to Dallas, went to a conference for a few days at Gateway and it was one of the
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best conferences we've ever attended. So who was speaking? Because there were amazing speakers.
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Christine Kane, Dr. Tony Evans, Joyce Meyer, Craig Groeschel and Robert Morris. It was a wow time,
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honestly. And also in terms of leading worship, if you're familiar with Christian music world.
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Martin Smith. Yeah, Martin Smith from Delirious in Brooke. I never can remember her. Legginwood.
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She's from Hillsong and she's on her own stuff. But anyway, they participated with the Gateway
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Worship Team, which those guys are phenomenal. It was powerful. It was so powerful. Okay.
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Since our sabbatical, something's happened to me. I've become... I told you people weren't
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going to recognize you. I'm a complete crybaby. I mean, when worship starts, whether it's at our
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own church, which it did this Sunday and here they came, you know, or whether we're at a conference.
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Oh, you were crying the moment they came out to lead worship. I was... Wow. I mean, God has really
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done a work, a deep, deep, deep work in me. Yes, for sure. And I mean, I think the ripple effect of
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that is going to just continue to go out. And I think I'm going to discover new things that He's
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done in me. It's mind-bending. Yeah, it is. When I turned and looked at you, when they first came
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out, you know, in the first five minutes of that conference and saw you weeping, it just... Wow.
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I was just like, wow, the rest of the conference. I can't even imagine what's going to happen by
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the time we leave. And it was powerful. It was a powerful conference. It was for pastors and leaders.
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It was very much kind of... How would you describe the... I mean, the tone of it was...
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The speakers, you mean? Yeah, what they were saying, the themes? It was all...
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It was actually... It was calling pastors and leaders up and calling them out to say,
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it's time to get back. COVID's over. Let's go. And some people would say COVID's really not over,
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but... Right. You know what I'm saying though. I mean, the crisis, the pandemic. Let's go. We
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got to get back on mission. And that's really what... I was already there in my own heart. In fact,
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I preached a message last week on that very thing, let's get back on mission, talking about the Great
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Commission and talking about the power of our words, even in the context of the Lord's prayer.
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So all I got from them was confirmation of what God has been saying in me, really for months,
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but all of a sudden I'm hearing it everywhere. But we're seeing so many pastors compromise their
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faith to get accolades from people. And they want to please people, but we're supposed to please God,
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number one. And I'm glad you've chosen not to go down that route. And that was... 51%. Yeah, 51%.
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That's all it needs to like me. And in listening to all the speakers, it was... The theme was the
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same. And I don't even know if that was planned. God usually always... Somehow it weaves into the
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same theme, even if a pastor says, hey, do what God's putting on your heart. It's amazing what
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happens in the middle of that. Yeah, the Holy Spirit moves in and begins to massage it and move
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it towards something. And then these themes pop up. And so the themes were, it's time to shake off
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the dust. It's time to brush off the dirt from your last fall. It's time to bandage the wounds
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and get going, get back in the game. I'm always going to use athletics, but get back on the
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playing field, get back in the ring, get back in the battleground. The message we want for our
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church, not just our pastors, but our church. It's time to quit being complacent in our faith.
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That's right. We need to be active and not so passive in our faith. We just jumped right in,
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didn't we? We did. But that's okay. But it's true because we're passionate about this.
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God is up to something. As we quote C.S. Lewis, Chronicles of Narnia, Aslan is on the move.
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God is on the move. And I don't want to miss anything. I mean, we've heard about the revivals
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popping up all over America right now. And I'm like, well, why not here? And why not now?
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Well, a revival is just waiting to happen. He's just waiting for someone to stand up and
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say yes. That's all. Just say yes. Just give him your yes. The way I put it is,
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we need to be a revival, looking for a place to break out. So show up and say, all right,
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the revival's here because I'm being revived in my own heart, my own spirit.
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Because that's what a revival is. It is. It's laying down everything and saying,
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I'm here, God. Use me. Do what you want with me. And then hopefully, prayerfully, other people
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will take note and do the same thing. And then you could have crowds of people. That's how a
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revival begins. It reminds me of Isaiah in chapter six, as he's standing before the God. He has this
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vision. He says, I saw the Lord seated on throne, high and lifted up. The train of his robe filled
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the temple. I mean, what a vivid picture. And his response was, whoa, is me. I'm undone. I'm a man
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of unclean lips and I live among the people of unclean lips. I mean, he literally is saying,
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I can't even stand in your presence. And that's where we need to get to. That's it. Us starts
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with us. Yeah. It starts with you. It starts with leaders. It starts with you. Yeah. I mean,
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and then it trickles down. When Aaron poured the oil, you know, or when the oil was poured over
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Aaron, the Psalm says it ran down his beard. It starts on the top. And so whatever level of
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leadership you find yourself in, you need to say, you know what, if it's to be, it begins with me.
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So I'll put myself on the altar and I'll let God light me on fire, so to speak, and let's go.
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Let's get it in gear. And I think there's a lot of churches, and you can explain this as I say this,
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that are compromising the word of God to please people. I think God will stamp Ichabod on those
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churches. And you might explain what I just said. Yeah. Ichabod means the Lord is no longer here.
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I mean, it's a stamp. It's a mark to say that God's presence has departed this place.
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And I believe it will when you see these churches that are compromising. I was meeting with our
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elders last night. I had a three-hour meeting with them. And what I was doing is rallying the troops,
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just saying, guys, no more compromise. Straight on. We got to pray for revival. We got to believe in
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God's given words and showing us things. And I mean, literally, I'm blown away about what's
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happening right now. Our church is on the verge of a blow up in a good way. I totally believe that.
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Revival. So I met with my elders, and I love these men. And of course, they're like all in.
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And what I was saying was, you know, we can't quench a revival. God's going to bring revival.
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We can't stop a revival, but God will, if we don't receive and participate and cooperate with Him,
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He'll move it down the road to some other group of people that's crying out for revival.
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So you can't stop a revival no more than you can stand in front of a wave in the ocean and stop it.
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It'll just bowl you over. But it will go on. And you can either catch the wave and ride it,
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or you can stand there and try to fight and resist it, and it'll just move on past you
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after it knocks you over. Well, it's interesting because we're going to have a prayer knot,
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prayer and worship knot. I'm so pumped about this. Usually when we have a knot of worship,
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there's baptism, and we're just all worship and a little bit of prayer. This is more prayer
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with a little bit of worship sprinkled in. And we're being very intentional about the worship.
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Pastor Russ is coming up with some songs with the theme that goes along with the Lord's Prayer.
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But it'll be interesting because we're doing this on October 15th to see how many people actually
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show up. That's going to be very telling. Now I understand people have things they have to do
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and everything. But typically when you have a prayer service, when you say, I have a knot of
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worship, we have a good amount of people show up. But when you have a prayer service, it will be so
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interesting how many people actually attend. It's going to be very telling. Well, on Sunday,
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I challenged our church pretty directly. I mean, I just pretty straight up. And again, it's not to
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be caustic or to be bold or audacious, but it is to say, God's given us courage and we need to walk
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in courageous faith and we need to step up and stand up and say, here we are Lord, use us, send
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us. So I challenged the church. I said the same number that are here today, we had what, 445
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people in church on Sunday, close to 450. And I'm like, that's what we should have at the prayer
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service. It should be us coming together to pray and ask God for spiritual awakening and revival.
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I love reading about revivals, breaking out in other places.
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But I want to be a part of one. Exactly. And I don't want to fly to another state to be a part
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of one. I want it here because God's reviving our spirit. So that was a, going back to Gateway,
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that was, it just, it ended on Tuesday evening. It was beautiful. We flew back Wednesday and,
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wow. We had one day to turn around. One day to turn around. Wash our clothes.
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And then we go to another conference. Yeah. Repack and be ready for the second conference,
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which was Spark Media. Yes. You say it. Yeah. Spark Media Ignite. Ignite. Podcastor's Conference.
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And it was put on by Misty Philip and her family. And they had about 150 attendees and it was,
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it was excellent. It was. They did everything with excellence. And it was, I didn't know what to
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expect. We've never been to a podcasters conference. Because it really went to a
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conference. It was an awards. Right. But it had a lot of, there was breakout times where they had
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speakers and they weren't long, which was really good. Just short 30 to 40 minute speakers to help
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you develop your podcast. Some of them I was like, could he talk longer? That was really good. I know.
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But it was very interesting and more spiritual. I mean, I know it's a Christian podcast event.
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But it was ministry focused. But it was very ministry focused. Very impressed. Wonderful.
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So we went with our dear friends, Adam and Tina Curry of Curry and the Keeper and No Agenda Fame.
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And we flew together and man, what a, just what a sweet adventure it was. We had so much fun for one
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thing because we all love each other and love hanging out. So we actually flew out of a municipal
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airport. We were blessed to fly on a private plane. So that was my first gig to go on a private plane.
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But you know, Adam Curry, he's the pot father. He's going to do a first class. So we jumped on a plane
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in our little town, our little airport. We flew directly to Houston into another little airport.
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And Misty picked us up at the airport and we were able to, I mean, within an hour and 10 minutes,
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we were there and already at the venue. And there was a lot of good things that happened. First of
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all, just never having attended a podcast conference, knowing not what to expect. So we walked in
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just kind of like, okay, what's going on here? And of course, a lot of people recognized Adam
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right off the bat. I mean, like they were fawning. It was hilarious. Well, people were excited that
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he was going to be a keynote speaker. And I'll brag about him in just a minute. So, but we started
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stopping at booths and saying hi to people. And then Adam said, said, Jimmy, I want you to come
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over here. I want to, I want to introduce you to somebody. So we go over to a booth and on the booth,
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it says focus on the family. I'm like, oh, I know this ministry. And then he introduced me to Rob
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Kilpatrick. And Rob is just one of those gentle, strong souls, sharp. He's been working for Focus
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on the Family for 37 years. And we just had a wonderful conversation. And I was shocked to
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find out that he has listened to our podcast. So I was honored and blessed by that. But just,
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wow. I mean, because sometimes, okay, there's a thing, okay, those of you that are listening,
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if you're not a podcaster, you need to understand every speaker that got up that's a podcaster,
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said this at one point during their presentation. I've often wondered if anyone is listening,
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because there's not great feedback mechanisms in podcasting. If you're preaching live in a
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church, people clap, yell, or shout you down. Or if you're on YouTube, you can hit the share button.
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You can hit the likes, you can chat. It's totally different. In podcasting, it's just going out
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there into the air, into the worldwide web. And you just wonder where it's landing. So you don't
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always know. And so every one of them, even the ones that won awards and were rated top, they all
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said the same thing. Sometimes we wonder if anyone's listening and if it's worth our time to do.
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And I thought I was the only one who thought those things.
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Yeah. Because how many times have we said, maybe we shouldn't do this? Because I don't know if it's...
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Yeah. And here's the thing, we don't want to do anything that's not going to bring value to people.
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That's right. That's right. Because it's got to be meaningful and bring value. And if we're going to
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take the time and put the work into this, I want God to honor that. And it to be helpful. And so
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everybody at that conference, they all feel the same way. And it's not about them, it's about
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what can we do to get the gospel to people and help them, give them hope. It was beautiful.
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All kinds of different podcasts, yet all with the central theme of Jesus is Lord.
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I came away very inspired and very encouraged and feeling like we're not alone. Even though
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Adam and Tina have just been come around us and they're coaching us and walking with us.
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It's good to know there's others out there that feel the same way and struggle with some of the
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same struggles. That a lack of confidence or can we really do this or does it really matter?
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So it was good to have that. We felt like we were part of a community.
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You feel this way a lot on Sundays wondering, because this is what the enemy does to you in
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the morning. Oh, yeah. Did I hit the mark? Yeah, did I hit it? Or is anybody going to show up today?
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Are we going to drive up to church? Of course, we go early, but...
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I've had nightmares like that. I know, that's what I'm saying. And so it's really no different
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than you being a preacher at the church. You're wondering if people are going to show up.
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And then you're amazed that they do. So I added this stress, why?
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I don't know. Why did you? Now, here's the bottom line, is we want to look at every possible channel
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to get the good news of Jesus Christ out there. If you're listening today, that's our heart for you
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that you would know Jesus. He already knows you, but we want you to know Him. And that's why we do
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what we do. That's why we take our time. We spend our own money to get all this gear and put all this
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together. And it is because we care about you and we want you to hear the good news of Jesus Christ.
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And we want you to be able to live up in a down world because...
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Absolutely. It's crazy out there. Yes. And we're not always up,
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but we can get up pretty quick once we put our eyes on Jesus, period.
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How do we do that? That's a good statement right there.
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Well, we've talked about this today earlier on how... Talk about the storm. Talk about the storm,
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because this is going to lead us right into what I was going to say.
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Okay. About two and a half weeks ago, I mentioned this, I think, on one of the podcasts, but I want
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you to hear this again because there's a point to this. I needed to drive into town. We live about
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16 miles outside of our town. So we live out in beautiful Texas Hill country. So I needed to drive
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into Fredericksburg. Our daughter lives and her husband live in an apartment there and she needed
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a ride because he hit a deer. So his truck's out of commission for a bit. So no big deal, right?
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I'm going to run to town, pick her up, run her over to the church for rehearsal, for worship,
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even though I wasn't playing on the team that night. So I was just going to drop her off and
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come home. And I was telling you, there's a big storm coming. Yeah. We had seen the storm clouds
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building over Fredericksburg and we were like, those look pretty ominous. They look pretty dark.
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So I start driving into town and I run into some of the most severe weather I've ever driven in.
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And you and I have been in some serious weather. I would not have been able to handle it. No,
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you would have lost your mind, literally. I mean, you would have been... You like tornadoes and
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storms and all that. I'm not, that is not me. You would be a storm chaser if you weren't a preacher.
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Come on. I could have been. Yes, you would. Absolutely. I love it. Newt twisters on my
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famous all time favorite movies. So anyway, so I'm driving it and I mean, it gets so bad.
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You know, everyone's got their flashers on, on the road. People are pulling off on the road.
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Now I've learned something about storms. If you're in a storm, you can either sit there and get
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pounded or you can drive through it and punch out on the other side. So I keep moving. And I've
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learned that through the years of driving through several storms. But you're not afraid you're going
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to hit someone in front of you? Everybody's got their blinkers on. You're driving three miles an
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hour. I mean, at this point, so at one point it got so intense that, I mean, there was hail coming
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down. I was like, Lord, and I was praying to Lord, don't let hail damage my car, break my windshields,
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you know, and cause damage. And so I was praying and driving slowly. My, almost my forehead was up
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to the windshield. I was just trying to see, cause it was so intense. You could barely see the road.
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And at a couple of times you couldn't see the road. But what I could see by looking up on the
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horizon, I could see the trees that are on the side of the road and they were bending
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ridiculously. I knew there was rotation in the clouds because I'd spotted that. And I know how to,
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how to read all that stuff. So I knew it was serious. You know, you get micro bursts,
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you get gusts natos. I mean, there's a lot of things that can happen down bursts that can be
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really, they can be as dangerous as a small tornado. So we were in that. That was what was happening.
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Not we, you. Well, I mean, the other cars that were around me were all,
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I'm like, I wasn't there. You all become kind of a weird community in that moment of crisis.
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And like I said, many of them are pulling off the side of the road. And then what happened was
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the wind stopped for a second and it completely switched directions. Wow. And the tree started
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bending the opposite way. Now anybody's a storm chaser knows whether that's not a good sign. No,
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no. That, that means there could be circulation that's now pulling the wind into it, like a funnel,
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a tornado. So anyway, I'm looking for that, but you can't, there's no way you could see. So there
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was a moment where I thought, okay, this could get really bad. And in the middle of all that,
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finally I was able to punch through and got clear. And then the sun came out. It was the craziest
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thing, you know, and then, you know, there's movement. And when I drove back through, back home,
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there was debris everywhere. I mean, trees, branches and all that. But what I was really,
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what was remarkable is that these trees were bent, but they weren't getting broken. And I thought,
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what a reminder of us as followers of Jesus. I mean, the storms, the winds blow, the storms come,
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sometimes life situations, circumstances, diagnoses just slam you. I sat with a man today who is
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probably going to die tonight or tomorrow. That quick? Yeah, yeah. He's got stage four pancreatic
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cancer. Just found out. Just found out a week or two ago, actually last Wednesday. And now he's
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already going to pass. So another funeral. And so when I heard today that they had taken him home
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for hospice care and it didn't look good, I just drove straight out to his house. He lives out in
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the country. And I sat down with this precious man and held his hand. I prayed with him. I talked to
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him about Jesus, make sure he's at peace. And he said, I know Jesus is my savior. I'm ready. He said,
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I'm ready to go into his arms. And he would say that between falling asleep because his organs
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are starting to shut down. So he's in hospice care. And of course his daughters were there and they
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said, yeah, he could go, you know, anytime now. So I wanted to make sure I got there. I didn't want
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to not go and then regret not getting out there. And sitting there, it's just so sobering to see
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that life can hit you hard. It can come out of nowhere. I've got a friend tomorrow, my friend
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Mark, who lives out in Arizona. He's having surgery. And recently he had a real cancer scare.
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And they said they found it and then we prayed and then it was gone. But he's got a surgery
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because they had to do some things to prep for the major surgery. Now they got to unprep him in a
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sense. It all has to do with this colon and stuff. I don't understand all that. But anyway,
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we have people that are close to us where life has caved in on them. And if you're listening to this
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today, and I know there are many people that will hear this and you would say, I don't have cancer,
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and maybe you do, but life has caved in on me. Things are not working. And I feel like I'm about
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to break. I am definitely bent and I'm afraid I'm at the snapping point. We've used that language
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before. I feel like I'm about to break. I'm about to snap or I'm at my breaking point.
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That's a common word to use. And the thing that we know about God, Annette and I, we've always
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tried to live what we call a but God life. Can you explain that? It's just knowing that
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we have hope in the midst of the worst circumstances. That even though it looks bad on the surface,
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but God, God can do anything. He can help us rise above those circumstances. It's like we were
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talking earlier. We were bent. We have been bent, but we were never broken. He's such a good God.
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He's going to see to it that we get through things. And that's what a good God does. It doesn't mean
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he's going to keep us from those things happening because we live in a fallen world and things are
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going to happen to us. How many times have we had diagnosis or relationship quarrels or sickness,
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loss of jobs, different things? A beer runs out in front of your car.
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Yeah, exactly. We all have things that happen, but we've got our whole goal as Christians. If
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you're a Christian, our first thought should be, we've got to turn to God and look up to him
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and know that he's going to take care of it somehow because he gives us hope. That's the God we know.
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And he always does. And it's never in the timing that we want because we live on human time. He
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lives on a whole different time, but he always gets us through. And he has. He's always gotten
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us through, always. He has. He's faithful. And so to live a but God life means, yeah, this may be
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difficult and this may be hard, but God. One of the things that I was talking to you about
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earlier is how I've gotten through some of those challenges that we've had throughout our life.
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And typically, when I'm having a really down day or I'm having a moment where the enemy's just
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taken my thoughts and just twisted everything, or I've had a major challenge that we've had to get
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through, the first thing I do is turn on worship music. Yeah. Now, why does that? What does that
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do to you when you do that? Well, it raises my spirit because when you're putting your eyes on
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the Creator, your Creator, there is something about worshiping the Creator that takes you. You're
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putting your eyes on him and taking your eyes off of your circumstances. If you look at the book of
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Psalms, a lot of the verses start with praise the Lord and a lot of them end with praise the Lord.
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You look at the New Testament, the model prayer, the Lord's Prayer. It starts with a praise. It
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ends with a praise. That is the model prayer for us as we are praying through challenges. But the
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first thing we need to do is recognize God in this situation. People that don't know God,
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they don't know. They don't have that hope. So they're trying to fix things on their own or they're
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using drugs and alcohol or addiction, whatever, escapism to get through things. But as a Christian,
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our number one should be to go to God, period. For me, music has always played a huge part in my life,
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even as a young person. I loved the rock and roll stations as a young person. I remember turning on
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songs that made me happy when I was in a bad place in my life. When I became a Christian and really
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walked out my Christianity, not just being introduced and, yes, God, I know who you are,
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but I've been putting you on a shelf. But when I began to really release my will to Him, it changed
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drastically to where I have to turn on worship music so I can just worship Him and feel Him.
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That's when I really feel Him. And it lifts my spirit. It lifts my spirit.
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I love that. I remember hearing a message one time about a guy saying that he had this summer
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where he had to get a summer job. His dad was all over him as a teenager.
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I love this message.
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He got employed by a dairy queen and they had this big ditch, like a big bar ditch,
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in front of their dairy queen. It was really long and it faced a busy road in their little town.
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And he spent half his summer with a yoyo. If anybody knows what a yoyo is, it's called a
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weed whacker. And it's not one with a motor on it. It's hand. You swing, you swing, you swing.
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And he had to do that for a summer. And all of his friends would drive by and laugh at him,
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make fun of him. And here he was in that ditch. And he said, at one point, he was just ready to
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just go tell the boss, forget it. I'm out. This is a dumb job. I'm smarter than this. I'm better.
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And in the middle of that, he had committed his life to Christ and God began to speak to him.
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And one of those hot days, I was either really sun stroking, like delirious, or God was speaking
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to me. And he said, the Lord said, you need to praise your way out of this bar ditch.
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And he was like, what? He said, praise your way out of this ditch. And he started
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using that, the rhythm of that yoyo going back and forth, swinging it back and forth. And he
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started singing songs that he knew and praising God and praying in rhythm to that yoyo. And he
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said, literally, after a few days of this, then his, that cloud began to lift off of him. His
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friends would drive by and he had a smile on his face instead of looking dejected and down. And he
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literally said, I praised my way out of that bar ditch. We heard that, gosh, probably 25 years ago.
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And I still remember that story. I will never forget that story. Because there are times when
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you do feel stuck, you feel like you're down in the weeds and it's like, I can't even see because
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the weeds are so high or the debris and the stuff of life. And that sermon comes back to me that,
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I need to praise my way out of this bar ditch. I need to begin to praise God in the darkness.
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The scripture talks in Psalm 23 about the valley of the shadow of death.
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Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for you are with me.
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And that idea of even when you're down in that valley, you're down in that bar ditch, you're
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down in those places, that's when you start to praise. But it's also the time when you don't
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feel like it. And this is where we're called upon to walk by faith and not by sight. And so a lot
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of times a signal for me to praise God and worship is when I don't feel like it. That's like an
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autopilot. It's like a flag goes off in me and says, that's all the more reason to put on some
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music that praises God and honors Him and enter into worship. And so a lot of times you come in
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the opposite spirit of what you're feeling, what your flesh is telling you. And you're like, okay,
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I don't want to, but I need to, I have to. And so in a way you're praising yourself out of your own
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bar ditch or you're praising God out of your own bar ditch. Well, and I heard a preacher say one
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time that people come in with their palms up or their palms down. And when their palms are up,
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they're praising God. But when their palms are down, you know, they're not in a good place.
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And I realized, gosh, I don't want to judge people that can't get there, but I do want to
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pray that they can get there. That they can get to that point where their palms are up
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and they're literally surrendering. They're surrendering their circumstances, their challenges
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to the Lord and saying, I can't do this anymore. Because I think that thing so much of us think we
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have to fix everything. And if we would just give it to God, and it's so hard because a lot of times
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we'll give it to Him, then we'll take it back. And He's like, I was right there about to take that
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from you and you took it back. How many times has that happened? And we've got to get to the
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point of maturity to where we give it to Him and say, okay, it's all yours. And then you take your
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hands off of it. And now your palms are looking at God. So back to our palm tree or our trees,
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we didn't want to have palm trees here in the hill country. These trees that I saw,
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this bent but not broken thing, that has become through the years a statement that I make. I say,
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I'll even in my prayer time say, Lord, I may be bent today, but I am not broken. In the name of
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Jesus, I am not broken. I don't agree with that. Christ in me is the hope of glory. I just use the
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word of God to praise my way and preach my way, preach to myself sometimes. Sometimes you need to
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preach to yourself and let the word of God do what the word of God does because it has power
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and your words have power. And so sometimes when you're out, you and Tina left, y'all did
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something on Monday, went to a doctor's appointment. It gave me an hour or two here
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and I walked through the house and I preached to myself. I was preaching through the house and
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praising God. Oh, totally crashed out on the couch wondering what I was up to, but he didn't care.
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So you were preaching out loud.
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Out loud. I walked through the house and preached and prayed through the house because
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sometimes you need to say things out loud. You got to be declarative and use proclamation
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to get your words into the atmosphere. And our words, when they're anointed with the word of God,
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actually seed the atmosphere and change the atmosphere.
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Yes, absolutely.
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And I've believed that for many years and we've seen the power of that. But this idea,
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there's some of you listening and you feel bent and you feel like you're on the verge of snapping.
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And I would just give you this, maybe this encouragement to out loud say,
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because this is easy to remember, I may be bent, but I am not broken. And you can tell that to God,
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you can tell that to the devil and tell it to yourself. Tell it to your situation. I may be
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bent, but I will not break. I am not done. This is not over. In Genesis chapter 50,
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when Joseph was talking to his brothers after he got exalted to, it's a long story, but
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Joseph says this to his brothers. He says, you intended to harm me. And then the next two words,
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but God. You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done,
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the saving of many lives. That's a but God life right there.
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Which he ended up turning around saving his own brothers who sold him into slavery.
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Yes. And that's a but God mentality. That's living up in a down world. The idea of,
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of you know what? This was, this came at me that the enemy meant it for harm, but God, but God,
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you turned it into good. Romans 8 28, that's a, it's a but God kind of verse, even though it doesn't
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say but God. And it just says that, you know, he causes all things to work together for the good of
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those who love him and are the called according to his purpose. He, he doesn't cause all things to
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happen. He causes things to work together for our good. He takes and touches and massages things
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to where it now works for our good. It's just amazing. That's a but God mentality. And so
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we want to encourage you in that to say it out loud. I may be bent, but I will not be broken
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because I'm a but God, but God is on working on my behalf. That's good. That's good. Yeah.
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Yeah. So we hope you're encouraged by this. And I just want to say some shout outs. I'm not going
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to read these out loud today. I'm just going to say thank you to those of you that have boosted
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us and have taken advantage of podcasting 2.0 on, on apps like Cast-O-Matic and Fountain. We really
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love Fountain. We just kind of know some of those guys there and appreciate what they're doing.
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And we appreciate you, the notes you've sent us, the letters you've written in,
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just so appreciate Sir Brian with an I gave us a bump and just a nice note and so appreciate it.
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Sir Bies Grace also sent some emails. He always sends encouraging emails. He loves Charles Stanley,
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Pastor Charles Stanley. So he sends a little clips of these great messages from him. And so we so
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appreciate that. And of course, my buddy, Adam, the Podfather Curry, you know, he did, he did give a
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striper boost. So I'm just going to have to do that. He says you have to do that. I have to do that.
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So he gave me that file. So I've got to play it for him, but I do want to say thank you.
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Thank you, my friend. I do wait, I did want to brag on him. So, so, yes, we do need to, again,
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I want to say thank you to everyone. Thank you for supporting us. Do go to our website,
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livingupinadownworld.com and just leave a note, leave a comment, let us know you're there.
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We are like those podcasters we were talking about. We sometimes wonder if this is landing
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anywhere, but we're not going to give up because we believe God's called us to get the good news
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of Jesus Christ. If it's only for one, it's worth it. That's right. That's exactly right. But we've
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got to talk about Adam and what he did before we leave. We've got to brag on Adam, my friend. So
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we go to the Spark Media podcasters award show and the night they had a gala where everybody dressed
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up and except for Tina and I, well, y'all didn't know it was a formal. Well, I did. There was a
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little communication breakdown. I said there was and Tina talked with Adam and he said, no,
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they never do that in podcast world. And we get there and the women are all in long gowns and
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they're, I mean, they're, some of them are to the nines. I've never seen anything like it.
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Now, some of the dudes were wearing like jeans in a jacket. Well, that would be you and Adam.
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I didn't see anybody else. Everybody else. No, no, I did. Oh, you didn't? Okay. Even Rob Kilpatrick
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from Focus on the Family. I got to say one other guy I met from Focus on the Family. Oh yeah, it was
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John. Yeah, John Fuller. He's actually on the Focus on the Family broadcast. He's one of the
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presenters on that and he's got that golden voice. He's a radio personality. He came up and was
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talking to us and we had a wonderful conversation. He knew everything about our lives because he too
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has listened to our podcast. And he was, but when I heard his voice, I'm like, that voice is
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butter. Adam's got that kind of voice too. They've got that broadcast voice and it's just
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trained through the years of broadcast. And anyway, it was a pleasure to meet Rob Kilpatrick and
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John Fuller, just great guys doing a great work. So, and I sat with Rob at the banquet.
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Or the gala. So that night they did all these presentations and they brought Adam up. Of course,
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they had a picture of him from MTV. That was hilarious. Headbangers Ball back in the day.
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The classic hair picture. When people ask me about Adam or I let them know, you know,
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who they are. That's famous. They want to see that. That's the picture. Yeah, that's the picture.
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It's the hair. I'll never forget it. He had the hair. He had better hair than I did. He had better
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hair than most women had. So yeah, he had it all teased out and probably three gallons of Aquanet
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on it. Yeah, which he should have gotten some stock from. So he got up and spoke and he did a
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masterful job of speaking about podcasting. Drove into the history of it and how it was
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developed and how he and another guy, Dave, worked on that together. And those first rudimentary
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meetings told about meeting Steve Jobs and Steve really coming behind him and supporting him and
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saying, we want to support this. We see a future in this. Certainly was. He made that call, right?
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But he also, he talked about the history, but he also talked about the present. And then he talked
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about the future of podcasting. The future was really good. Delivery was spot on. And he used
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the term RSS. Everybody knows if you're in podcasting, you know what RSS feeds are. And they've been
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around a long time and he called it the rock solid signal. Yeah, rock solid signal. The rock
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solid signal that will never go away. It will always be constant. And of course he linked that
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to God, you know, the rock solid signal we get from Christ. And I love it when he said, I'm a new Christian.
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It's only been within the last year and everybody just clapped. And he said, but I see that God's
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been in my life all along because he's the one who brought the idea of podcasting to me. But I didn't
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know it at the time. He didn't know it till now. Ah, that was so powerful. Yeah, it was so good.
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It was interesting. I had another somebody, I won't use their name, but they made the comment
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to me. They said, you know, I'm so glad that you've come alongside Adam and Tina and you're
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discipling them and walking with them. And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa. Discipling and they said,
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discipling. Discipling and walking. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa. I said, let me say this. I said,
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this is a friendship and he's not a project. Because people do think, especially pastors,
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they have projects. I don't have projects. I have friends and none of my friends and no one will
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ever be a project to me. That's not what we're about. And so I cut the guy off a little bit just
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to say, no, no, no, that's not how this is. This is a friendship. I'm learning things from him
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and he's learning. That's what a friendship is about. Iron sharpens iron. It's interesting
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to learn from someone that's a new Christian because we've been Christians for so long. You
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kind of forget. Our perspective is different. Totally. Yes. What you're framing and what
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informs you is different. Yes. So it's been really refreshing to walk with Adam and Tina
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as they are on this really exponential growth trajectory. Unbelievable. Never seen anything
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like it in all of my years of ministry. I've never seen a couple grow as quickly as they have.
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God is doing things not only with them, but others that we are seeing coming into the faith.
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They're having accelerated growth. And that's a signal to me that revival and spiritual awakening
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is at hand. It's here. And so God's doing things quickly. And so I want to encourage you, if you've
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not really stepped over the line to go all in with Jesus and you've thought about it, but you don't
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really know where to start, I want to encourage you, find a church where you live. Find a Bible
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teaching church that teaches Jesus and plug in and find community. But before you even do any of
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that, just right now you can just say, Lord Jesus, I've messed it up. It's not working out for me.
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And I'm a sinner and I need you. I need your help. Would you save me? Would you save me from the
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inside out? Would you change me from the inside out? And just say this, say, I give you my past.
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I give you my present. And I give you my future. And Lord Jesus, come in and save me. And here's
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the beauty. He loves that when you invite him in, he comes in and he will save you. And now you're
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what the Bible calls born again. And that means that you'll be in eternity in heaven with him and
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with us together as family. And he wants you, he wants you to come to know him. And he already
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knows you, but he wants you to know him. And so we just offer that out as an invitation to give
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your life to Christ, give your life to Jesus. If you have questions about that, go to our website,
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livingupinanddownworld.com and write me a note. And I'd be glad to encourage you to send you links
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to resources, whatever we can do to help you in your walk with Jesus. That's what it's about.
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Amen. Amen. Say amen, sister. Amen. Put your hands in the air. Oh my gosh.
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I love you so much. Okay. So we need to let our listeners know. I was about to wax.
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We're going to, we're going to, oh, thank you. I love you too, baby. The moment's gone.
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Just want to let our listeners know that we're going to move to Tuesday nights rather than Monday
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nights. Too many things keep coming up on Monday night. We have a day job.
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So Tuesday night we'll be releasing our podcast from now on. And in terms of a rhythm that's
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going to work a lot better for us at this point. So sorry for the one night off thing.
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We had so much going on. You had a meeting. It was insane. And too, we really want to protect our
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Sabbath day and our Sabbath for us, we take that on Monday. We want to guard that. Hey, we love you
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guys. We're so glad that you're with us and we want you to live up in a down world. Reach out,
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let us know and send us to a friend. Maybe this will encourage somebody you know. And if so,
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man, get the word out. Have a great week, y'all.
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